Wednesday, August 22, 2012

The Clobber Passages

So I'm beginning an in-depth study of the Clobber Passages - defined as a verse of the Bible interpreted as condemning homosexuality. Also clobber text. Many of you may wonder why I'm so adamant about this subject, because I'm not gay, and I'm a Christian... well as a progressive Christian & American, I support equal rights in a country of religious freedom... and I'm so adamant about it because it is wrong to judge others and to twist scripture to meet one's personal opinion or views. I'm not attempting to point fingers at anyone's sin, but the true issue at hand is that many who go around using the bible as a crutch for being anti-homosexual don't usually realize this is what is going on. They have been spoon-fed dogmatic scripture that has been cherry picked from it's passage (by preachers who have also been spoon fed their religion - this has gone on for so long there's no telling where it started...) I myself was spoon-fed for quite a while... But it's not about blame... it's about educating ourselves to the true meanings of the Word. I hope that by using my blog as sort of a journal to document my study, others will read it and be inspired to study these passages closer.

I will be listing those passages here and linking to the post I write regarding each one as I study it. I'll begin with the new testament, as I believe it is most relevant & important -  Romans & Galatians clearly show that the OT law is no longer relevant due to Christ's death on the cross which brought forth a new covenant. 

NT:



I Corinthians 6 - Behaviors that will prevent a person from obtaining heaven

I Timothy 1 -"Arsenokiitai" are lawless, disobedient, ungodly...

Jude 1:7 - Sodomites going after strange flesh


OT:

Why You Can't Quote the Old Testament to Condemn Homosexuality

Genesis 1 - Be Fruitful & Multiply

Genesis 2:23-24 - Marriage

Genesis 19 - Sodom & Gomorrah

Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 - Abomination

Deuteronomy 23:17 - Sodomites and Shrine Prostitutes


I was told to "Read and Re-Read Romans" because of my POV on gay marriage... shame on me.

I was told by a fellow "church-goer" to "read and re-read Romans 1" because of my point of view on gay marriage, and how we're not supposed to "put up with sin"... So today I read Romans 1-2, and am using The Message translation (WOW that made it so much simpler to understand...)

After a fellow blogger posted a great post yesterday about "Doing a Cut & Paste Job of Romans 1", I decided to read through the first couple chapters of Romans myself. As most of you know, I don't take anyone's word for anything (even if I agree with it, I still like to research it for myself). I'd read Romans 1 many times, but when he referenced Romans 2, I knew I hadn't studied it as closely - I had perused through it, in a version that was kinda hard to
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understand... So today I sat down and read through both chapters together, in a version I could make sense of.

The book of Romans is another one of the Apostle Paul's letters to the Romans, preaching the gospel of Christ. This letter is written to a group of Jews - so the message is intended for religious people. Many religious folk of today's times like to use a section of Romans 1 to condemn others, but the true context & purpose of Paul's letter is not to condemn any group of people - in fact the beginning of Romans 2 warns the Jews against the criticism and condemnation of others.

The letter is explaining to these Jews about "ignoring God" and how this "leads to a downward spiral." He tells them a story of a group of people who abandon God to worship other idols (Commandment #1 is broken).

These people become Godless and loveless -when he speaks of them being "sexually confused, they abused and defiled one another, women with women, men with men—all lust, no love" - note the last part. All lust, no love. This is a key part of this scripture. The KVJ states it this way: "
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."
These people have abandoned God and are acting in loveless ways. (Thus the reason this scripture does not condemn homosexual orientations/relationships/love/marriage. People who are in love with one another... The people Paul is referring to in this passage are "going against their nature" because they are natural heterosexuals engaging in homosexual practice.)

But this is not the only sin they are committing...

The passage goes on to say, since they didn't even bother to acknowledge God, he has quit bothering and has let them run loose... "And then all hell broke loose: rampant evil, grabbing and grasping, vicious backstabbing. They made life hell on earth with their envy, wanton killing, bickering, and cheating. Look at them: mean-spirited, venomous, fork-tongued God-bashers. Bullies, swaggerers, insufferable windbags! They keep inventing new ways of wrecking lives. They ditch their parents when they get in the way. Stupid, slimy, cruel, cold-blooded. And it's not as if they don't know better. They know perfectly well they're spitting in God's face. And they don't care—worse, they hand out prizes to those who do the worst things best!"

Intentional sin. (It speaks more of this in Romans 2). But these people know good and well they are not acting within God's word. But "mean spirited" and "venomous" stands out... "bullies, swaggerers (braggarts, people who boast), insufferable windbags (horrible gossipers, snooty, stuck up)." This sounds familiar - how many little old ladies gossip in your church? How many church goin' folks are too good for "sinners"?


These people are terrible! BUT!!! The point here is not for Paul to gossip to the people of Rome about these "horrible" sinners... it is to provide an example of what not to do, yes, but Paul goes on in Romans 2...

In verses 1-2 Paul continues his point to the Jews of Rome: "Those people are on a dark spiral downward. But if you think that leaves you on the high ground where you can point your finger at others, think again. Every time you criticize someone, you condemn yourself. It takes one to know one. Judgmental criticism of others is a well-known way of escaping detection in your own crimes and misdemeanors. But God isn't so easily diverted. He sees right through all such smoke screens and holds you to what you've done." 

So I say to you today, just because someone sins, doesn't mean you have the right to point your finger and judge. Quoting Neal again, from my previous post, "Recognizing that someone is sinning doesn't mean you get to mistreat and discriminate them, or think you're better than them.  I'm a sinner too and other sinners do not have to justify their life choices to me." 

The only being sinners will have to justify their life to is God. God hates sin. But we need to be more careful about how we cut & past, or cherry pick scriptures for defining sin. We also need to remember that just because another person may be sinning, we sin too, and we have no right to cast stones.
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Romans 2 goes on to remind us that we are not getting by with anything. Our sin stinks just as much as anyone else's, and religion alone will not save us. "Circumcision, the surgical ritual that marks you as a Jew, is great if you live in accord with God's law. But if you don't, it's worse than not being circumcised. The reverse is also true: The uncircumcised who keep God's ways are as good as the circumcised—in fact, better." Flaunting our religion, our beliefs, as an excuse to harm others or point fingers, doesn't make us a Godly person. In fact, it makes us boastful.

"When outsiders who have never heard of God's law follow it more or less by instinct, they confirm its truth by their obedience. They show that God's law is not something alien, imposed on us from without, but woven into the very fabric of our creation." Just because you have religion doesn't make you "special"... it means you are religious. Your Christ-like behavior is what makes you special - what makes you stand out. Faith without works is dead.

So I'd like to say to that "church-goer" who recommended I re-read Romans... thank you for your input. I've begun my reading, and thus far my theory is confirmed - you might want to re-read Romans. :)


***Disclaimer: This post is a recollection of my thoughts and reflections as I study and learn these passages for myself. There is no intent of "pointing fingers" or condemning sin. If you feel convicted from reading my post, then I recommend you study these passages further yourself for further confirmation, don't take my word for it - I'm just sharing what I've personally learned with hopes that someone will be inspired.

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The Purpose of My Blogging


 

Why do I blog? What are my intentions behind my posts? Well, this varies, but I can list several reasons why I  blog.

1. I hope that my posts reach out, educate, and inspire.

2. I need a place to vent sometimes, and I communicate best in writing.

3. I want people to have the chance to get to really know me by reading my posts, that come from my heart.

4. I want people to learn what I've learned about God. About the Bible. About Christianity. That God is an awesome God and that he loves us!

5. I want people to be open to understanding the "other point of view" on certain topics. I wasn't always this open... I was an extreme fundamentalist, and I was spoon-fed my religion for many years before determining something just didn't sit right about certain things, and I needed to figure it out for myself...

I've learned so much in the past couple of years... I've found fellow bloggers with an extreme amount of insight, and these sites have been an awesome resource for studying both sides. I hope that one day, my blog can be as valuable to someone else.

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain

"Progress is impossible without change, and those who cannot change their mind cannot change anything." - George Bernard Shaw

 "There are no constraints on the human mind, no walls around the human spirit, no barriers to our progress accept for those we ourselves erect." - Ronald Reagan

 

Tuesday, August 21, 2012

Thanks for Assuming I'm as Uneducated As You Are


Ok, so I really do try hard to not be mean and vindictive... but I'm only human, and this one had to be shared, and even laughed at a little... supporters for "traditional marriage" just keep proving my theory of the lack of actual education on the subject of homosexuality and marriage equality, and even the bible and Christianity itself... Please, if you are going to have a rational debate, be tactful about it... be open to understanding the other side...

Questioning the intellect of the opposition just because they are the opposition is silly and not really about having meaningful conversations...

I posted on the wall of the well known "Traditional Marriage Supporter" Chick Fil A (CFA) earlier, that "Christians should be more concerned about the fruits of their speech, than their freedom to speak." What was the one response I got after about 10 likes over 48 hours? 

From Lawanda:

"What does that even mean? I bet you don't even know..."

In the words of Homer over there, D'OH! 

First off, she asked what it meant, because, apparently, she didn't know... Then she assumed I was uneducated as she was when I posted the quote to begin with... So it wasn't even genuine curiosity... but blatant ignorance.

So I thought I'd share my response with all you fine people.

It (fruits of one's speech) means that as Christians we should be more worried about how what we say effects others, and if it shows a Christ-like person - does your words, actions, FB posts, everything you do show people the love of Christ?

Luke 6:44 reads: For each tree is known by its own fruit. For men do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they pick grapes from a briar bush. 45“The good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth what is good; and the evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth what is evil; for his mouth speaks from that which fills his heart.

What kind of fruit do you bear? 


And I apologize in advance this particular post doesn't show the most "loving" fruit (which I did strive to show in my response to Lawanda), but this one was a real fruit basket... and I needed to vent. And that is why I have a blog.

The biggest issue with the right-winged fundamentalist view on marriage equality is the lack of actual education surrounding the issue (and Lawanda was just one example)... the lack of openness and willingness to learn what it actually means and stands for. The lack of true understanding of even the Bible, of God, and of Christianity. Many good religious folk are just ignorant (by definition, this is not an attempt at name calling) and non-reflective. This (lack of understanding) is one of the sins of the depraved or useless mind listed in Romans 1. Too many people are being spoonfed religious doctrine, or dogma instead of researching and studying the bible in it's originally intended context for themselves. Conservatives get onto liberals claiming they are "twisting scripture to fit their personal lifestyle choices" - when in all actuality, they are the ones doing the twisting.

What does it matter what someone's opinion is?



Someone asked this earlier in an online forum... (and I've corrected the poor spelling and grammar mind you.)

"I'm never going to understand how people think Chick Fil A is going to keep them from being gay. You've been gay while eating Chick Fil A before. Why does it matter what someone's opinion is?"

Well, it really doesn't... until it effects an individual's human rights via the polls. Everyone is welcome to their own opinion (no matter how intelligent or non intelligent it may be.) But when you go to the polls and vote against something that doesn't effect you personally, then it matters. When you are deliberately discriminating against a group of people and voting to keep them from equal rights in America, then it matters.

You don't support gay marriage? Fine.  Don't vote for it. But why vote against it? How does it personally harm you? It doesn't. We live in a country that separates church and state and where we have religious freedom. So anti-gay marriage groups cannot expect LGBT couples who want legal, not religious recognition of their union to follow the biblical teaching.

And if you are so concerned about outlawing sin, then we need to outlaw every sin, because no one sin is bigger than another. And keep in mind, homosexual orientation (a committed relationship) is not defined as a sin in the bible if you actually read the passages in context and don't cherry-pick the scriptures.

Monday, August 20, 2012

Do Not Judge Others... Even Homosexuals.

So this was a comment made by "Neal" on another post I read earlier (click here for post), and I thought his point-of-view (POV) was refreshing. I agree with him for the most part - I don't consider my Christian views conservative, but progressive... Homosexuality as an orientation is not condemned... homosexuality as a "practice" - AKA practiced like any other sexual sin (outside of a committed relationship - seeing as they can't legally marry, rape, incest, etc) is a sin. No sin is bigger than another, and we are taught not to judge.

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"I'm a Christian with a conservative interpretation of the Bible on homosexuality, but I don't care if gays get married.  Me thinking that homosexuality by practice (NOT orientation) is a sin does not make me think  that gays are less worthy human beings than straights.  I mean, I know atheist couples who live together outside of marriage, but I love them just as much as my Christian married couple friends who "stayed pure" until marriage.  Recognizing that someone is sinning doesn't mean you get to mistreat and discriminate them, or think you're better than them.  I'm a sinner too and other sinners do not have to justify their life choices to me. 

America separates the church and the state, so pro-family groups cannot expect gay and lesbian couples who want LEGAL, not RELIGIOUS recognition of their union to follow the biblical teaching.  It just doesn't make sense and it's not realistic.  I mean, if America has a Hindu rather than Judeo-Christian heritage, is it fair, for instance, for non-Hindus in this hypothetical, alternate universe to be denied beef when they go to a restaurant?  Food and marriage are two different issues, but you see my point.

My other objection to the pro-family group tactic is why so worked up to de-legalize one sin and not others.  I mean, Christianity says pre-marital sex is sin, so where's the outcry circus to ban common-law marriage? Not saying that I want to ban common-law marriage, I really don't care, but I'm just saying they're very inconsistent.  

Tony Campolo expressed it best when he said that Christians couldn't expect the LGBT community to believe that we love them when we deny them equal rights.  Being a Christian myself, I totally understand why some well-meaning Christians are so shocked by the bigot label, but they must also take the time to understand why LGBT people feel so insulted."

Personal Accountability


 

“It is easy to dodge our responsibilities, but we cannot dodge the consequences of dodging our responsibilities.“ Sir Josiah Stamp

I get so tired of watching people fall into the trap of blaming other people for their choices in life... for not living up to their own, personal responsibility.

Ezekiel 18:20

20 tThe soul who sins shall die. uThe son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. vThe righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, wand the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

We are all given free will in life. We make our own decisions, choose our paths, and we are to be held accountable for those choices. Everything in life is a choice... From how we treat others, to how we treat ourselves. No one is perfect, we are all far from it. But I've learned that if you can hold yourself accountable for your actions, for your choices in life, you can become a much better person. “When you blame others, you give up your power to change.” Unknown

Learn to see the positive even in the worst situations. Everything happens for a reason in life. Whether we make good decisions, or bad, we have the opportunity to learn from them. When we feel like something in life has gone "oh so wrong" or hasn't gone our way, or as we'd planned, just remember that God has a plan for you - and just because something doesn't go as we'd hoped, doesn't mean He doesn't have something better in store!

Romans 8:28 
28 And we know that [a]God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.

Some things in life are not choices, yes. But we choose how we react to those things. We can't choose when we're born, where we're born, or our family... You can't even choose who you love. But you can choose how you love. (Richard Cooper). You can choose to love unconditionally. Love isn't purely a feeling... feelings and emotions come and go. Love is a commitment. Love is choosing to be with a person through thick and thin... the good, the bad, even the ugly.

And none of this is easy, I'm not suggesting it is. But it gets a little easier over time, as you continue to commit yourself to be accountable... to commit yourself to love. The more you keep pushing yourself to make the right decisions, to be responsible for your bad decisions, and to focus on the good in life less than the bad, the more natural it will come. The less you will have to force it. And the closer you will come to God.

I'm learning over time that by striving to follow in Christ's footsteps, and to worry about my own sin and love others despite their differences or own problems in life, I'm opening myself up to a world of love and happiness... instead of of hate and stress.